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BethAnne vs Anti-Mormonism


 Who Do We Truely Worship?
 

As for me and my house we serve the Lord, we will until the end of time.

Many teenagers, even in The Church of Jesus Christ of Latter-day Saints aka the Mormons aka the LDS Church, have their walls papered with posters of the newest and latest hunk or hunkette or favorite singer. Or whom ever is their idol, be it some kind of sports hero or such.

By allowing such behaviors we are encouraging our children to worship someone other than the Lord.

In my house as a single mother if my children wanted to put up a picture that was not LDS aka Mormon aka from the Curch of Jesus Christ of Latter-day Saints they had to do 1 for every 10. They had to buy the ten and the one as I preferred to have pictures of my family and pictures that depict differing times in the life of Christ and differing times in the Old and New Testaments as well as differing times within the Book of Mormon.

Their friends would come in and would want to play certain games they came over with that were too violent for my children in my opinion and so they had to play prior approved video games. In movies I stayed away from rated R movies as much as possible, however there were some that taught a concept that my children were missing.

I'll give you one example Braveheart. I saw it at the movies and it showed the true love of a man and a woman. It also taught the idea of freedom should not be taken lightly.

That if your country is not free then those task masters can and will take every thing and one they want and if you try to stop them you wind up dead.

There are many other things such as one man can change the world in which he lives.

I taught the to protect the rights of freedom, a sense of voting for good men and women to rule over us. To pay attention to what is happening in other countries and that helping a country gain its freedom is one of the most important things in the world.

With out a free world people are not free to make their choices they are enslaved to tyrants and war lords who set themselves up as leaders because they have the most power in the land.

We watched television but for every hour of television there was two hours of scripture reading.

Have they stayed active not really, but they both have a testimony of the truth of the Book of Mormon and the truth of the Church of Jesus Christ of Latter-day Saints aka the LDS Church aka the Mormons, and that having a prophet in these the last days of the rule of Satan is absolutely necessary.

Think of who you are teaching your children to worship and think about who you yourself are worshiping. Your job, things, time, television. What things come between yourself and Heavenly Father. Who gets the most time in your home. Who hangs on your wall.

Is it a creation of our Father in Heaven or is it some over paid superstar. Is it the creation of your family or a cartoon that makes people laugh at the sight of a man on a commode with out toilet paper.

Do we make our homes a harmonious place to live or does everyone have too little time for family meals, breakfast and dinner and lunch when school is out.

What do you do to have fun with your children to teach them how to interact with others. How do you answer their questions that you don't have the answer to. Do you tell them to search the scriptures or go to the computer and google it?

How do we show our thankfulness to our Heavenly Father for all he has given us in this world? Beth.
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 Receiving Revelation
 

==I have a daily note called LDS Gems sent to me every day. It is funny that the first one I looked at was on the topic that is being steared towards in Thomisticguy's blog. So I believe it sums up expertly the topic and there is nothing at this time that I could say to make it more understandable or applilcable. So here it is:==

"In reality, the communication or hearing about divine truth can be
summarized in three words: revelation, commandments, blessings.
However, it is going to be a lifetime challenge to first hear and then heed the voice of the Lord and His servants. . . . Spiritual preparation is a prerequisite to receive a personal spiritual impression. . . . We must become 'a saint through the atonement of Christ the Lord' and also become 'as a child, submissive, meek, humble, patient, full of love, willing to submit to' the will of the Lord, meaning His commandments. Then says the Lord,
'When we obtain any blessing . . . , it is by obedience to that law upon which it is predicated' (D&C 130:21).

"Topics: preparation, spirituality, revelation, obedience"

(Charles Didier, "Man's Search for Divine Truth," Ensign, Nov. 2005,
48-49)

==I can tell you that this man is a member of the Quorum of Twelve Apostles. Which puts him in the line of sucession to become the Prophet. We already sustain all of the Quorum of the 12 Apostles as seers and revelators, just as we sustain the First Presidency as seers and revelators. The 14 when to gether comprise the keys necessary to be a prophet, but it is only the Prophet himself who holds all the keys. It is his responsibility to see that he does his very upmost and best to take the gospel of Jesus Christ to the world.==

== Now this is the gospel according to Beth. I would venture to say that won't be too much longer, with a Temple in China, the death of Fidel Castro and his successor being willing to be more like China I see very little standing in the way of the world allowing the truth in and for it to be taught all over the world. The end of this world is coming and it is close to the time for Jesus Christ to come and reign for 1000 years. I for one am prepared and excited to see the resurected Savior and do the work He has prepared for me to do on this earth, before and after my death.==

I hope and pray all of you are a prepared and excited about this as I am. Take care of yourselves. Beth.
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 Degrees of Heaven and Hell
 

To start this off I want to explain what I believe Hell to be. I can't quote the number of scripture references of what Hell is; however, I will give you an example. When a certain young man asked Christ what he had to do to become a disciple of Christ, Christ told him to sell all he had and to follow him. The man went away sorrowing as he had many possessions. This is where we get the statement it is easier for a camel to go through the eye of a needle than for a rich man to go to Heaven.

If Heaven is our goal, and I believe it is for most people; then Heaven is where we will spend eternity with our Heavenly Father.

I will touch on the fear of God as the way I understand it to read, this is the gospel according to Beth, who has of yet not been stopped by others with the authority to do so and make a correction so I feel I gleaned correctly that I do know what the fear of God is and it is the fear one should have that you will not spend eternity with our Heavenly Father.

In 1 Cor. 15:29 Else what shall they do which are baptized for the dead, if the dead rise not at all? why are they then baptized for the dead?
30 And why stand we in jeopardy every hour?
31 I protest by your rejoicing which I have in Christ Jesus our Lord, I die daily.
32 If after the manner of men I have fought with beasts at Ephesus, what advantageth it me, if the dead rise not? let us eat and drink; for to morrow we die.
33 Be not deceived: evil communications corrupt good manners.
34 Awake to righteousness, and sin not; for some have not the knowledge of God: I speak this to your shame.
35 But some man will say, How are the dead raised up? and with what body do they come?
36 Thou fool, that which thou sowest is not quickened, except it die:
37 And that which thou sowest, thou sowest not that body that shall be, but bare grain, it may chance of wheat, or of some other grain:
38 But God giveth it a body as it hath pleased him, and to every seed his own body.
39 All flesh is not the same flesh: but there is one kind of flesh of men, another flesh of beasts, another of fishes, and another of birds.

----I would like to interject here that we learn two great truths first that the dead do need their work done for them if they died without the full knowledge of the gospel or the opportunity to have the gospel and we are not to judge who had the opportunity or what the understanding of another is so the work is to be done.

Another great thing we learn here is that God gave everything the body it pleased him to give. It pleased him to give human beings a body like unto his. It pleased him to give each beast, all fish and all birds the bodies they have so if they have the bodies that God wanted them to have here on this earth then they will have those bodies in the hear after.-----

40 There are also celestial bodies, and bodies terrestrial: but the glory of the celestial is one, and the glory of the terrestrial is another.
41 There is one glory of the sun, and another glory of the moon, and another glory of the stars: for one star differeth from another star in glory.

-----Again I will interject and say this reference in context with speaking of dying and being brought forth from death that Paul speaks so passionately with is very clear and basic to all of the Jewish people. This was basic learning. There was nothing to be confused about. There will be people who are raised to a celestial world, there are people who will be raised to a terrestrial world and as written in the Book of Mormon there will be people who will be raised to a telestial world. The proof of this is verse 41 There is one glory of the sun, and another glory of the moon and another of the stars: for one star differeth for another star in glory.

We know in this representation the Sun to be the Father, the Moon to be Jesus Christ and the stars to be the human beings who will receive different levels of glory.-----

-----Reading in the Old Testament I came across a certain passage that I thought would help to make this concept more understandable for more people.

While still in the wilderness near the land of their inheiritance, just before Moses died he spoke the words of God.-----

In Deuteronomy 32:22 For a fire is kindled in mine anger, and shall burn unto the lowest hell, and shall consume the earth with her increase, and set on fire the foundations of the mountains.

-----This to me makes it very clear that the degrees of Glory spoken of by Paul tie back to this lowest Hell and that is the earth. That those who were wicked in their days will spend their eternity without the ability to see God the Father and will never be able to do anything except for wail and gnash their teeth over their behavior as it was during their lives and the way they lived. For what they did and didn't do. For how they didn't have that change of their hearts to do good and the will of God, but worshipped strange gods...

So to me and my limited understanding, if there are bodies Celestial and Terrestial, then the Telestial is the lowest and is considered to be Hell by other factions of Christianity. For we know that God aborreth evil and can not be near it. It only stands for reason that people who do good but did not serve the Lord with all of their might from the time of their conversion until the time of their death should not go to the same place as the truely wicked. Of course those who were rock solid in their faith and served the Lord with all their might all of their life from their conversion must needs go to a higher degree of glory as well and that they will be with Heavenly Father throughout the eternities.

We reap what we sow is such a repeated concept in the scriptures that we know that we have a place in His Kingdom as long as we do not deny the Holy Ghost. For those people have no place in Heavenly Father's Kingdom. They must needs go to outer darkness. -----

I am sure I shall get some comments on this but if there are degrees of glory there must be degrees of hell and Heavenly Father has made it clear to us through the Bible alone that this is true.

Take care my friends. Beth.
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 Response to "Jesus Christ Alone Can't Save Us - According to LDS Teachings"
 

I want to first place what it is that LookinforLucy posted on her blog. I will not post the responses as it is the actual post itself that I take issue with.

I have said that I will answer these items on my time schedule when I have had time to research the ideas set forth and have time to make sense out of what the exact issue at the heart of the post is.

So here is what LookinforLucy posted:

"Background information regarding the below questions and answer session from Theology for Dummies, on the blog stream. Mr. StealthArachnid is a LDS “High Priest” in his Mormon church. We are learning on this blog, the comparison of Gnosticism and the Mormon doctrine. During the questions and answers that came up on this blog – these questions came to light.
It is in my opinion worth showing just how off the “Christian track” some of the LDS (Mormon) teachings are in their church, compared to Christianity. Please note that this is copied from TFD blog. I wanted to continue the dialogue here on my blog. Here we go…
Dear Thomisticguy – You asked below for assistance with Stealth’s demand.
StealthArachnid wrote: Thom: Please find a single reference by an LDS Prophet or General Authority where they assert we "elevate human effort and special human knowledge" above the atonement. Just because we respond in trying to be more faithful doesn't mean we have a diminished sense of His atoning sacrifice for us.
Thomisticguy’s Response: I do not recall making this claim against LDS theology. Perhaps someone else would like to take this on.
LookinforLucy’s response: President Joseph Fielding Smith has written: “man may commit certain grievous sins – according to his light and knowledge-that will place him beyond the reach of the atoning blood of Christ. If then he would be saved, he must make sacrifice of his own life to atone – so far as in his power lies – that that sin, certain circumstances will not avail…Joseph Smith taught that there were certain sins so grievous that man may commit, that they will place the transgressors beyond the atonement of Christ. If these offenses are committed, then the blood of Christ will not cleanse them from their sins even though they repent. Therefore their only hope is to have their own blood shed to atone as far as possible, in their behalf” (Doctrines of Salvation, Vol.1, pp.133-138)
Let me add: (according to the Mormon Doctrine): That this is one of the reasons that LDS Legislators who understood its provisions could and did use their influence to get a form of capital punishment written into the laws of various states of the union so that the blood of murders could be shed.
I think that should cover this subject of LDS Prophets teaching that their individual blood atonement is needed over Jesus Christ. Interesting – don’t you think? Any Questions? Don't you think it kinda "slaps" Jesus right in the face and says You're not enough? Are you Shocked?"

==Now I want to respond to this issue of a blood atonement. As I feel it is the crux of the post here. We do know that if you deny the Holy Ghost that you are beyond the savalation of Jesus Christ and that all murders must be atoned for.

It is for this reason that many Christians believe in capital punishment and not abortion. However if people read their Old Testament a bit more they would understand that these are not new revelations given to Joseph Smith Jun the first Prophet of the Church of Jesus Christ of Latter-day Saints aka the LDS Church aka the Mormons. It is also not something that was implemented by Joseph Fielding Smith when he quoted Joseph Smith Jun.

Hold on to your hats here becasue this is an issue that goes back to before the people of Isreal were sent into the promised land.== The Lord made it very clear when He spoke to Moses in Numbers 35:9 ¶ And the LORD spake unto Moses, saying,

10 Speak unto the children of Israel, and say unto them, When ye be come over Jordan into the land of Canaan;

11 Then ye shall appoint you cities to be cities of refuge for you; that the slayer may flee thither, which killeth any person at• unawares.

12 And they shall be unto you cities for refuge from the avenger•; that the manslayer die not, until he stand before the congregation in judgment.

13 And of these cities which ye shall give six cities shall ye have for refuge.

14 Ye shall give three cities on this side Jordan, and three cities shall ye give in the land of Canaan, which shall be cities of refuge.

15 These six cities shall be a refuge, both for the children of Israel, and for the stranger•, and for the sojourner among them: that every one that killeth any person unawares may flee thither.

16 And if he smite him with an instrument of iron, so that he die, he is a murderer: the murderer• shall surely be put to death.

17 And if he smite him with throwing a stone, wherewith he may die, and he die, he is a murderer: the murderer shall surely be put to death.

18 Or if he smite him with an hand weapon of wood, wherewith he may die, and he die, he is a murderer: the murderer shall surely be put to death.

19 The revenger• of blood himself shall slay the murderer: when he meeteth him, he shall slay him.

20 But if he thrust• him of hatred, or hurl at him by laying of wait, that he die;

21 Or in enmity smite him with his hand, that he die: he that smote him shall surely be put to death; for he is a murderer: the revenger of blood shall slay the murderer, when he meeteth him.

22 But if he thrust him suddenly without enmity, or have• cast upon him any thing without laying of wait,

23 Or with any stone, wherewith a man may die, seeing him not, and cast it upon him, that he die, and was not his enemy, neither sought his harm:

24 Then the congregation shall judge between the slayer and the revenger of blood according to these judgments:

25 And the congregation shall deliver the slayer out of the hand of the revenger of blood, and the congregation shall restore him to the city of his refuge, whither he was fled: and he shall abide in it unto the death of the high• priest, which was anointed with the holy oil.

26 But if the slayer shall at any time come without• the border of the city of his refuge, whither he was fled;

27 And the revenger of blood find him without the borders of the city of his refuge, and the revenger of blood kill the slayer; he shall not be guilty of blood:

28 Because he should have remained in the city of his refuge until the death of the high priest: but after the death of the high priest the slayer shall return into the land of his possession.

29 So these things shall be for a statute of judgment unto you throughout your generations in all your dwellings.

30 Whoso killeth any person, the murderer shall be put to death by the mouth of witnesses: but one witness shall not testify against any person to cause him to die.

31 Moreover ye shall take no satisfaction• for the life of a murderer, which is guilty of death: but he shall be surely put to death.

32 And ye shall take no satisfaction for him that is fled to the city of his refuge, that he should come again to dwell in the land, until the death of the priest.

33 So ye shall not pollute the land wherein ye are: for blood it defileth the land: and the• land cannot be cleansed of the blood that is shed therein, but by the blood of him that shed it.

34 Defile• not therefore the land which ye shall inhabit, wherein I dwell: for I the LORD dwell among the children of Israel.

===These rules were set forth and sanctuary came from this concept of refuge cities. There are other cocepts covered in this part of the chapter that cover all concievable possibilities of murder, premeditated, out of anger and accidental. In all of these there is a punishment and that punsishment in the first two cases are clearly a blood death of the murderer to cleanse the blood death of the murdered victim. In the last there is an allowance made for a life to be spared as long as they stay within the bounderies of the sanctuary of the place where the high priest who was there during the trial has passed away then, the person who had accidently killed some one could finally go home, however; if he goes home before the high priest dies then he can be killed by the avenger of the accidently murdered person. Therefore a righteous blood cleansing of the blood killing.

To me the most important part of this section of the chapter is the last verse:

34 Defile• not therefore the land which ye shall inhabit, wherein I dwell: for I the LORD dwell among the children of Israel.

Where the Lord dwelleth the ground must be hallowed and the way to hallow ground of spilt blood is with a blood atonement.

Now if you compare this concept to the blood atonement of Jesus Christ in the Garden of Gethesemane then it makes perfect sense that a blood atonement would be necessary before all sins would be forgiven. As all laws given to Moses by the Lord were given to keep the Isrealites on the straight and narrow path that would lead them to the Lord so when he would appear as a babe they would recognize him and many did.

So as you contemplate the idea of a blood atonement and how "cruel and inhumane" it is; comtemplate this that by denying the right to a blood atonement all murders are denied the atoning sacrafice of Jesus Christ. For the law demands a blood atonement and the law must be fulfilled.

All of the chapters in Numbers talk endlessly about how to restore something that was stolen, killed, accidently killed, the endless reasons for burnt offerings and it seems to go on an on and the reason for it all seems to get lost in the message because people skip over or sleep through the last verse.

The whole reason for the need for a blood atonement is to fulfill the law and to show the Isrealites what was to come for their atonement. A blood atonement to be made by a perfect man, even Jesus Christ. However for the atonement to be in effect full restitution and repentance must be achieved. In an eye for an eye society where blood atonements are the law, without the ability to do so leaves one beyond the reach of the blessing of receiving the fullest ability of Jesus Christ to atone for that sin.

The odd thing is that I have no recolection of reading in the Book of Mormon or in the New Testament where specifically the blood atonement for murder was fulfilled as part of the laws of Moses that didn't have to be followed anymore. Many were fulfilled and additional laws were given. However, I have not found a place where a murdered person's blood never stopped crying from the ground for revenge.===

So in ending, eventhough we do have the death penalty the Prophets are right. Without the blood atonement, Jesus Christ can not atone for their sins as they have been denied the ability to atone for their crime in the manner in keeping with the laws as set forth, along with the other laws such as the 10 Commandments.

Consider who has control of the world, it is Satan and it pleases him very much to deny the ability of a murderer to be forgiven by Jesus Christ due to the lack of the blood atonement which he knows is part of the laws of the Scriptures. Beth.
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 Part IV Love Your Wife with All of Your Heart
 

I want to start out with a quote I came across today and I feel it might help some of you to understand why I continue on this subject when only Stealth and I are interested in continuing the subject until it has been "claimed to have been" discussed in its entireity.

"The apostolic and prophetic foundation of the Church was to bless in
all times, but especially in times of adversity or danger, times when we might feel like children, confused or disoriented, perhaps a little fearful, times in which the devious hand of men or the maliciousness of the devil would attempt to unsettle or mislead. Against such times as come in our modern day, the First Presidency and Quorum of the Twelve are commissioned by God and sustained by you as 'prophets, seers, and revelators,' with the President of the Church sustained as the prophet, seer, and revelator, the senior Apostle, and as such the only man authorized to exercise all of the revelatory and administrative keys for the Church."

Topics: Church organization, First Presidency,prophets
(Jeffrey R. Holland, "Prophets, Seers, and Revelators," Ensign, Nov. 2004, 7)"

As there are so many churches crying Lo, lo here and Lo, lo there, It is very diffacult to decide what is the correct church and God our Heavenly Father has given us a way to devine such a way. I feel it is my obligation to use this forum to share this with you therefore I continue in the next portion of my post:

Strengthening Marriage:

"With these doctrinal underpinnings in mind, let us consider the second step - specific action that would strengthen a marriage. I will offere sample suggestions and invite each couple privaetely to ponder them and adapt them as needed to their own partucular circumstances."

== Please note here that this is a member of the Tweleve Apostles and he is suggesting things to strengthen our marriages, not commanding them as all commandments come from God, the rest are suggestions as to how to better live God's Commandmants.==

"My suggestions use three action verbs: to appreciate, to communicate and to contemplate.

To appreciate- to say "I love you" and "thank You"- is not diffacult. But these expressions of love and appeciation do more than acknowledge a kind thought or deed. They are signs of sweet civility. As grateful partners look for the good in each other and sincerely pay compliments to one another, wives and husband will strive to become the persons described in those compliments.

Suggestion number two- to communicate well with your spouse - is also important. Good communication includes taking time to plan together. Couples need private time to observe to talk, and really listen to each other. They need to cooperate - helping each other as equal partners. They need to nurture their spiritual as well as physical intimacy. They should strive to elevate and motivate each other. Marital unity is sustained when goals are mutually understood. Good communication is also enhanced by prayer. To pray with specific mention of a spouse's good deed (or need) nurtures a marriage.

My third suggestion is to contemplate. This word has deep meaning. It comes from Latin roots: con, meaning "with," and templum, meaning "a space or place to meditate." It is the root from which the word temple comes. If couples comtemplate often - with each other in the tmple - sacred covenants will be better remembered and kept. Frequent participation in temple service and regular family scripture study nourish a marriage and strengthen faith within a family. Contemplation allows one to anticipate and to resonate (or be in tune) with each other and with the Lord. Contemplation will nurture both a marriage and God's kindgdom. The master said, "Seek not the things of this world but seek ye first to build up the kingdom of God, and to establish his righteousness, and all these things shall be added unto you."

I invite each marital partner to consider these suggestions and then determine specific goals to nurture you own relationship. Begin with sincere desire. Identify those actions needed to bless your spiritual unity and purpose. Above all, do not be selfish! Generate a spirit of selflessness and generosity. Celebrate and commemorate each day toghther as a treasured gift from heaven.

President Harold B. Lee said, "that the most important of the Lord's work you and I will ever do will be within the walls of our own homes." And President David O McKay declared, "No other success can compensate for failure in the home."

When you as husband and wife recognize the divine design in your union - when you feel deeply that God has brought you to each other - your vision will be expanded and your understanding enhanced. Such feelings are expressed in words of a song that has longs been a favorite of mine:

Because you come to me with naught save love,
And hold my hand and lift mine eyes above,
A wider world of hope and joy I see.
Because you come to me.

Because you speak to me in accents sweet,
I find the roses waking round my feet,
And I am led through tears and joy to thee,
Because you speak to me.

Because God made thee mine, I'll cherish thee
Through light and darkness, through all time to be,
And pray His love may make our love divine,
Because God made thee mine.

That each marriage may be so nurtured is my prayer, in the name of Jesus Christ, amen. " Elder Russell M. Nelson of the Quorum of the Twelve Apostles of the Church of Jesus Christ of Latter-Day Saints

===This ends the four part series on loving your wife. Women, what is good for the goose is also good for the gander. I pray that all of us follow these four parts and listens to the Prophets and Apostles and cherish our spouses and work harder to keep our marriages intact therfore thwarting Satan's hold over this country. I pray that everyone has contacted their Senators over the Marriage Act that they could vote on as early as tomorrow.

If not contact your Senators. Tell them we need to keep our marriages intact. Marriage is only between a man and a woman. That is a Commandment from God. It is not something given us by the Constitution. The Constitution only states what God has given us freely and what we are entitled to as His children.

Take care and have a great week. I look forward to some comments on this subject. Beth.
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